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 1/5/2010 9:49 AM
 

My ten cents would go something like this, could we perhaps look at a Vets Class i.e 35 plus, I tell you why besides having my Ass kicked by somebody 10 to 15 years my Junior week in week out, due to the fact that my balls have shrunk with my golden years. It would just make it easy to regulate the Class if left Open be it China or European, I had the pleasure of racing with Jannie on Tobie's 911 replica on board a GRC RR kitted to the hills and trust me it was not like the GRC ran away with it .

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 1/6/2010 1:56 PM
 

The problem is that there is the potential to be a very strong and competitive open class in 2010. Lots of new comers and plus us bunch of regulars. If we split the class at 35 we’ve have You, Andrew, Quintus, Myself, John Jewiss, Andrio all in the vets class. Open class would be left with Marius, Morne, Lloyd if he is riding and Michael Pypers when he is able to make it. I think it would be really bad for the sport to have an open ‘premier’ class with 3 permanent riders in it.

Why not have one open class with 10+ riders in it all mixing it up with each other. We could throw in a prize for the first over 35 year old on the day and even a prize for the first Chinese frame home on the day, but I think to run a separate championship would detract from the glory of open class winner. At the end of the day you’ll find someone within the class to spar with on the day and try and beat next time and so on...

Please guys, give your thoughts.

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 1/6/2010 2:49 PM
 

Don't know if it could work, but what if you had a performance index (PI). At the open day or at least at the first race of the season all the guys who intend to race in the open class for 2010 are weighed and their bikes put on the Dyno. The combination of the rider + bike HP + bike make is used to generate the PI value for that rider. Then have one class but with 2 or 3 PI brackets into which the riders are slotted. There is still one overall open class champion but each PI bracket can have and individual winner on the day as well.

eg1. Rider = 90kg / Bike HP = 12 + Bike = Chinese (90/12+1) PI = 8.5

eg2. Rider = 60kg / Bike HP = 12 + Bike = Chinese (60/12+1) PI = 6

eg3. Rider = 80kg / Bike HP = 8 + Bike = Euro (80/8+0) PI = 10

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 1/11/2010 7:13 AM
 

Hi All,

I think we should look at all the classes and make sure we cater for as many riders as possible, without having 20 classes with 3 riders each. The Junior classes seem perfect and the splits between classes allow for juniors to get on faster bikes as they get older.

The senior cag class A & B seem perfect as well. The class C might benifit with a minimum weight limit to stop a 45kg 16 year old from running away with it. Something like 90kg minimum weight for rider+bike and gear as at the end of a race (i will bring my bathroom scale along for this).

Senior D has the power restriction as Junior E, so it will logical to allow the younger and lighter riders of 16+ with 11hp bikes to ride in this class. So no weight limit for this class, but still the 11hp limit. This way the younger riders that don't move on to other formulas have a class to race in with their old bikes. This will also be a good class for the lightweight female riders as 11hp with 50kg make for fast laptimes.

Senior F can be scrapped as there is not enough interest in this class.

Open class should be left as is, but we can also impose a weight restriction of 90kg combined as in class C to make this a real senior class and stop 45kg riders from running away with it.

I agree with Clifford that if the open / D class is big enough, you will always have a dice. A 16 year old weighing 50kg on a 11hp class D bike will give any senior (90kg combined weight) on an open bike a run for his money (will beat me any day!).

This way we cater for all the ages and weights and still keep the racing fair? from the sideline the open / class D will make for good racing as all the riders will have almost the same power to weight ratio.

I've made the combined weight 90kg as to include Andrew as the lightest rider in senior open.

Cheers

Andrio

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 1/28/2010 9:11 PM
 

To Shaun no 12. No ways can one decide an index against weight, or hp or anything else. It has to have a solid base which is equal to every rider, new or experienced.

You have a dam fine idea here, but it has to be traditionally equal to all. It is a pain to calculate, not impossible, I have done it tjousands of times, but time consuming. Nevertheless it is an equal showing of performance by every machine/rider.

One; we have to have a base time. This time is normally taken from a qualifying period. Where we are trying our best. The calculation is then thus calculated; for fatties light weights and any horse power you find. For each heat seperately.

Fastest lap (Qualifying) times the total laps you did in the heat, gives an Ideal time you should have done.

Take the ideal time and divide by your actual laps completed; this gives you an index in percentage.

Two; or one takes the fastest lap of the heat and does the same equation; you get an index in percentage that gives the best consistant lap time by each competitor. Presto, no weighing no dyno - easy an fair for all.

So the heaviest rider could post the best consitant laps and he wins even if he comes last????

Hows that.

Henry.

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